tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post1728127800830640326..comments2023-11-12T00:30:15.262+09:00Comments on Monster Island (actually a peninsula)*: Discussion: What should Seoul do if it was a North Korean mine torpedo?kushibohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-75617769180793584012010-05-24T14:23:53.378+09:002010-05-24T14:23:53.378+09:00Looks like President Lee has been listening to som...<a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2010/05/seoul-comes-down-as-hard-as-it-can-with.html" rel="nofollow">Looks like</a> President Lee has been listening to some of what we're saying.kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-77482710180373375172010-05-01T14:49:42.606+09:002010-05-01T14:49:42.606+09:00Holter Barbour, since you mentioned it here, the l...Holter Barbour, since you mentioned it <a href="http://www.rjkoehler.com/2010/05/01/open-thread-148/#comment-370466" rel="nofollow">here</a>, the link to your comment (should you want to provide it at The Marmot's Hole) is <a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2010/03/discussion-what-should-seoul-do-if-it.html?showComment=1269938573885#c6885744152995620296" rel="nofollow">here</a>.kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-58963899770578606442010-04-23T04:12:54.709+09:002010-04-23T04:12:54.709+09:00Joshua Stanton at One Free Korea put up a must-rea...Joshua Stanton at One Free Korea put up a must-read post about <a href="http://www.freekorea.us/2010/04/17/avoiding-the-next-korean-war/" rel="nofollow">how to respond without causing a major war</a>.kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-66301495258039046022010-04-21T17:39:54.494+09:002010-04-21T17:39:54.494+09:00This comment has been removed by the author.DSWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11535908226479922492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-56800637626161795572010-03-31T16:01:15.999+09:002010-03-31T16:01:15.999+09:00extrakorea, I answered you at your site as well, b...<i>extrakorea, I answered you at your site as well, but I'm reposting it here:</i><br /><br />Extra Korea wrote:<br /><b>Any military attack on the NorKs will give them something to wrap their “the whole world is against us” propaganda.</b><br /><br />Yes, <a href="http://www.monster-island.net/2010/03/remember-chonan.html" rel="nofollow">I was making that point, too</a>. In fact, that may be the plan with all this: to whip up support for the government at a time when so many are disgruntled.<br /><br /><b>I think that toppling the regime would be a very bad idea considering how ill-prepared South Korea is for such. Causing turmoil could lead to inadvertent regime change.</b><br /><br />But it has to be done sometime. And I don't think the time will be of our choosing.<br /><br /><b>If (a very big “if”) we’re going to attack them anyway, might as well go for the Poison Dwarf himself.</b><br /><br />Ah, true, but I'm just thinking the regime might fall more quickly if he were outside the country.<br /><br /><b>I think so. Economic sanctions, withholding of food aid, fertilizer, etc.</b><br /><br />That can be a bit cruel, but it might work.<br /><br /><b>Until the NorKs apologize, through actions, not words. Considering the kamikaze-inspired rhetoric that B.R.Myers has described, that could well translate into “permanent.”</b><br /><br />In other words, back to the pre-Kim DJ era.<br /><br /><b>After eight years of having South Korea bend over (and get butt!@#$ed by the NorKs), we are in new, unexplored territory.</b><br /><br />Actually, I think we'd just be back to old, well-explored territory, i.e., the Chun/Roh Taewoo era and before.kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-30362326929214985902010-03-31T00:52:33.919+09:002010-03-31T00:52:33.919+09:00GI Korea at ROK Drop linked to this post and offer...GI Korea at ROK Drop <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2010/03/30/what-should-be-south-koreas-reaction-if-north-korea-sunk-korean-warship/" rel="nofollow">linked to this post</a> and offered his own ideas, which I thought were worth reprinting here:<br /><br /><i>So if this was an intentional North Korean provocation than the next obvious question is what should the South Korean response be? Launching a bombing campaign of some sort should not be the first option in my opinion. It would only serve the North Korean regime’s best interests by rallying a now increasingly disenfranchised DPRK public around their leadership.<br /><br />Here is what I think should be done:<br /><br />• Take any reopening of the Geumgang Resort off the table<br />• Officially close the Kaesong Complex and withdraw all South Korean workers<br />• Stop all aid of any kind to North Korea until an apology is issued from Kim Jong-il<br />• If the North Koreans still refuse to apologize and accept responsibility for sinking the ship than South Korea should seriously consider enforcing the PSI.<br /><br />The most provocative of these options would be to <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2009/05/26/south-korean-joins-psi-in-response-to-north-korea-nuclear-test/" rel="nofollow">strictly enforce the Proliferation Security Initiative</a> (PSI), which would require searching North Korean ships. That is why this should only be done after implementing the first three options and judging North Korean reactions. If they know a serious enforcement of the PSI is hanging over their heads they may not attempt to cause other provocative incidents <a href="http://rokdrop.com/2010/03/29/north-korea-threatens-tourists-visiting-the-dmz/" rel="nofollow">like they have been threatening to do</a>.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://rokdrop.com/2010/03/30/what-should-be-south-koreas-reaction-if-north-korea-sunk-korean-warship/#comment-384751" rel="nofollow">As I wrote on his site</a>, I quite like the measured and stern response he proposes, particularly if it includes point #4, though that raises the possibility of further escalation, simply because each time a North Korean vessel is boarded it raises the possibility of a shooting match or other attack. That shouldn't be something to deter the ROK govt, just prepare it.kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-262564799699974222010-03-30T22:55:24.496+09:002010-03-30T22:55:24.496+09:00This is simply theory and I have no facts to offer...This is simply theory and I have no facts to offer other than a keen interest in North and South Korea since the Korean war. But it would seem that if North Korea is yet again going through a regime change to the son (against the original philosophy of (communist)North Korea) then it could be possible that the military, which in the past has been known to work of its own volition, could be provoking to create a situation that would hinder or lessen the control of the new upcoming regime.<br /><br />So I would say, make sure you have all the facts...and I mean all the facts and then tuck it away in the basement and move on.edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272621302441233730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-16351691102803314072010-03-30T18:46:39.666+09:002010-03-30T18:46:39.666+09:00Still no Gravatar. Grrr.Still no Gravatar. Grrr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-15028220271933710202010-03-30T18:45:52.513+09:002010-03-30T18:45:52.513+09:00My comment here.My comment <a href="http://extrakorea.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/mine-now-considered-most-likely-cause-of-vessels-sinking/#comment-1145" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-68857441529956202962010-03-30T17:42:53.885+09:002010-03-30T17:42:53.885+09:001. Immediately seek the advice of the Israelis.
2...1. Immediately seek the advice of the Israelis. <br />2. Follow their advice. <br />3. Deny any involvement in all sorts of mad shit mysteriously getting all fucked the fuck up in North Korea.holterbarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16803994461554294553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-6118923153972278392010-03-30T16:15:33.652+09:002010-03-30T16:15:33.652+09:00A military response could lead to the disaster of ...A military response could lead to the disaster of a full-blown war. I think you or Joshua at OFK suggested that, if the ship sank due to North Korean involvement, that the South should immediately cease all aid, concessions and ties of any kind until the North apologizes. I could agree with that.A Deal Or No Dealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03846366896375330656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3869680.post-76950172526313511902010-03-30T15:18:01.582+09:002010-03-30T15:18:01.582+09:00Talk about the horns of a dilemma - doing nothing ...Talk about the horns of a dilemma - doing nothing is almost as bad doing something.<br />I would also want to ask this question - what response was NK, if it was NK, expecting? Is this a test of resolve? And what role should the US military play?Teacher Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02694520513374847784noreply@blogger.com